Sage Agastya came to South twice.

He came to South when Shiva asked him to go to south to balance the earth when Shiva married Uma in the Himalayas.

This is dated around 40,00,000 thousands years ago.

The next time he came down to south was around 5000 BC.

The dates have been arrived at by tracking the movement of Star Canopus,called Agastya,which is visible in the southern lattidues once on 5000 years.

Please check my articles on these.

The fact that Shiva had to send him to an area which was far off is mentioned in the Puranas,especially the Skanda,Linga,Shiva  Purana stating that the place he had to go was Dravida.

The tone and tenor convey a distant land, not a geographically adjacent one.

8.One may notice that Shiva is not mentioned directly in the Vedas as Vishnu and others are.He, however , is repeatedly mentioned in the Tamil Classics.

He was called the ‘Ancient of the Ancients’

The Shiva cult precedes Sanatana Dharma as is evidenced from the Earliest Tamil works like Agathiyam,written by Agastya and Tholkaapiyam by Tholkappiyar.

Both Agastya and Tholkaapiyar were Rishis, as declared by them.

They refer Shiva as the primary deity.

Rama,Krishna,Vishnu are also mentioned and their period is mentioned.

But not Shiva’s.

He is mentioned as beyond Time.

This indicates that Shiva cult was present  in the south even before  Shiva’s marriage with Uma in the Himalayas.

In the Shiva cult of the early times the Vedas,though mentioned, are not assigned a date.But the texts are clear that Shiva as a separate Entity though not in conflict with the Vedas is mentioned as the Ancient One.

9.The Avatars of Shiva are not in vogue in the north as much as in the south.

They are called Thiruvilayadal in Tamil and they are documented.

They are 64 in numbers.

Please read my article on this.

These avatars are reported to have taken place in the Tamil ,Dravida Region.

They,at least most of them,took place in Madurai.

This is not the present Madurai ,Tamil Nadu.

This refers to Then (south) Madurai which was devored by  the sea.

This was in Lemuria,and Then Madurai is mentioned along with Kapatapuram and Vanchi.

The Shiva worship was prevalent there before Rama and Krishna worship.

This speaks of a parallel system of philosophy in the south,though not at variance with the the Vedas.

10.Lord Shiva is considered to be the founder of the Tamil language.

He founded the language along with Sage who wrote the First  Tamil book on Grammar,Agathiyam.

The Tamils conducted Poets’s Conclaves.

There were three such Conclaves,Tamil Sangam.

The first one was presided over by Shiva and the third one by Subrahmanya,his son,who is also considered to be a co founder of Tamil.He was called Murugan.

The Tamil Sangam was attended by Lord Krishna.

He participated as a special invitee.

Please read my article on this.

This indicates the Shiva worship, presence preceded Krishna’s.

11.Lord Shiva got married to, in one of His avatars,to Meenakshi of Madurai.

Shiva, in this Avatar, was called Chokkanatha,Sundareswara in Sanskrit.

Meenakshis father Malayadwaja Pandya participated in the Mahabharata war alongside the Pandavas.

The marriage ceremony was conducted through the Vedic rites.

This is specifically mentioned.

This is of importance as the marriage was not conducted the Tamil way.

This means the Vedic custom did not take deep roots then.

12.Rama finds references in the ancient classics of the Tamils.

He,as in the case of Krishna,was treated as a human being,though he was worshiped later.

This again confirms that the Vedic people were considered as from the north with a culture,though similar from the north,Aryavarth,Meaning from a ‘Blemishless place’

13.Rama worshiped Shiva as Ramanatha at Rameswaram, Tamil Nadu after killing Ravana.

14.Ravana was from the Dravida desa and a Brahmin.

He married Mandodari from the north overcoming objections to the marriage of Mandodari to a Dravida.

15.Ravana learnt the Vedas and recited them at Kailash, the Abode of Shiva .

16.Ravana built the Shiva Temple at Koneswaram, Sri Lanka which anti dates Indian temples..

17.Rama’s,ancestor Vaivaswatha Manu was from Dravida Desa and he migrated to Ayodhya and his son Ikshvaku founded the Ikshvaku Dyasty.

18.Vaivaswatha Manu meditated in Madagascar.

19.Shiva temples,which are quite ancient,are quite numerous as compared to North.

20.While Shiva’s marriage with Uma and Shiva’s loneliness because of the loss of Sati and Shiva as an ascetic is known in the north, not much of Him is heard there as in the south,about His sons,Ganesha and Subrahmanya,which is detailed in the south

21.Vasi yoga is the predecessor of Patanjali’s Yoga Sutra and this was revealed in the South by Shiva.

22.The Siddhas,the Enlightened souls, from the south had  a distinct system of Shiva worship and they were aware of Vedas. Patanjali,Agastya and Valimiki were Siddhas and have wriiten philosophical treatises in Tamil.

Valmiki mentions in his Tamil poem that he was a Vedic Brahmin.

23.The Avatars of Vishnu,(Parashurama,Vamana,Kurma and Varaha)took place in the south.Of these,Kurma and Varaha took place just after The Vedas were compiled.

24.The migration to north seems to have been necessitated because of Great flood in each yuga and Puranas/ ithihasas/Tamil classics assert this.

25.Thiruvannamalalai,Tamil Nadu is 3.64 billion years old and Jwalapuram,Cuddapah,Telengana,which houses Nataraja is 74,000 years old.

I can go on adding.

What happened after the flood and the compilation of the Vedas will be detailed in the forthcoming article.

In the previous two articles I have mentioned some facts and did not provide the relevant Links.

The reason, as I have mentioned in the article is that providing too many Hyperlinks in an article affects the site technically.

Many have corresponded on the authenticity of the statements I have made in these articles and requested details.

My intention is to provide information on Indian History and the Purana, Ithihahasa and The Vedas that they are not stories or fantasies but facts and history ,aprt from conveying deep philosophical thoughts.

However there are some objections to the concept that Arctic was the Home of The Vedas and there are scholars who dispute this, including Professor Vartak.

I intend anaylsing them in the present series in a separate article.

One comment on the article is reproduced below and I am providing the information with the link, though it is not a Hyperlink.

One may copy paste it to read the full article.

My replies are in Italics.

‘Your intention is good, your effort is commendable, your blog is very informative.

A little muscle to the foundations of your arguments would help. Could u give references of specific verses from spiritual literature to bolster your arguments. That would help.
For eg: Arguments like:
The Vedas refer repeatedly to long periods of day long periods of night.

‘The information of the relevant texts are provided in Tilaks Book.

Link .https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Arctic_Home_in_the_Vedas

and more by way of objections by Shri Vartak at,

In his support Tilak cites Rigveda 7-76-2 and
translates it: "The Devayana path has become visible
to me. The banner of the Dawn has appeared in the
east." From this verse he infers that the Devayana
started at the rise of the Dawn. This inference
appears correct apparently, but is not true, because
Tilak himself has told that in the Polar and Arctic
regions the sun rises in the south. Then how is it
that the banner of the Dawn was seen in the east?

Tilak has taken support of Pi try ana also. He
states that the Hindus consider Pitryana as
unauspicious for a man to die. This tradition is easily
and rationally explained if the Pitryana represented
a period of continuous darkness. The funeral
ceremonies of any one dying during the long night
were deferred till the break of the dawn. Now the
question arises that if there was a continuous spring
at the Arctic region in the ancient era when Aryas
lived there, as Tilak says, then is it possible to keep
the dead body at home for six months?

Link https://archive.org/stream/ScientificKnowledgeInVedas/Scientific_Knowledge_in_Vedas_djvu.txt

They also speak of days in yet another context ,extending for 60 Nazhigais,which corresponds to our normal day.

Southern direction is being treated as some thing beyond more like alien territory.

When one reads the Vedic Texts,reference to Dravida desa is made as though it is a distant land, though a part of Sanatna Dharma,and it was considered as a place where a sloghly different culture was followed and was considered fit to banish people, as in the case of Viswamitra who banished his 51 sons to the Dravida Desa.

And Vasishtas Tribes in Dravida desa indicates the southern connection.

https://ramanan50.wordpress.com/2016/11/17/vasishtas-fourteen-dravidian-tribes-greeks-chinese-huns/

Kanchipuram ,Tamil Nadu tribe is mentioned in Vasishta Viswamitra War.

Please google viswamitra sons +ramanan50 to read more articles on this subject.

They were called as Dravida

The Shiva cult precedes Sanatana Dharma.

https://ramanan50.wordpress.com/2015/07/05/pre-sanatana-dharma-shiva-in-south-predates-sanatana-dharma/

You may read more articles on this by Googling Pre Sanatna Dharma Shiva.

But the texts are clear that Shiva as a separate Entity though not in conflict with the Vedas is mentioned as the Ancient One.

This refers to Then (south) Madurai which was devored by the sea.

This speaks of a parallel system of philosophy in the south,though not at variance with the the Vedas.

Lord Shiva is considered to be the founder of the Tamil language.

Thiruvannamalalai,Tamil Nadu is 3.64 billion years old and Jwalapuram,Cuddapah,Telengana,which houses Nataraja is 74,000 years old.

For Thiruvannamalai being 3.64 Billion year old,Jwalapuram 74,000 years old, kindly check my articles on these issues by googling the search term plus ramanan50.

Rest assured my intention is not negative. Kudos and looking forward to read ahead.
(I hv read Lokmanya Tilak’s Artic theory of the vedas but i am not convinced since a lot of our great scholars and noblemen in those days were under duress to kowtow to the British empire which is understandable. No fault of theirs….Those were very trying times and they did the best what they could do so that we could live in a free India).’

Related.

https://ramanan50.wordpress.com/2016/12/28/vedas-complied-in-the-arctic-why-how-by-whom-part-1/

Yoga means ‘Union’, that is connecting with the Reality, Brahman,the One with no attributes.In Saguna Upasna,worship of Reality with Attributes is practiced.

In fact it was Patanjali  who introduced the concept of Ishwara into otherwise worship of Reality as without Attributes or Nirguna Brahman.

When one analyses the  systems of Yoga, one would find some common characteristics as well as differences.

While the effort to realize Self  is common to all, the methodology differs.

Essentially , there are five aspects or components in Yoga.

1.Postures.

2 .Breath control.

3.Meditation, Dhyana,

4.Nada ,Sound,

5.Tantra.

Patanjali’s Yoga Sutra deals more with Meditation or Dhyana,while the Siddhas emphasize Breath control,Vaasi Yoga.

I shall write more on this later.

And there seems to be some Deities or system of worshiping a specific God or Goddess.

We have, thus, Shaiva,Shakta,Vaishnava Yoga Upanishads.

And we have Samanya, common Yoga Upanishads for Gruhastha or householders and  Sannyasa Yoga Upanishads for the Renounced.

I have written on some of these Yoga Upanishads.

Shall write further.

Here is the list of twenty Yoga Upanishads.

List of Yoga Upanishads.

1. Hamsa Upanishad  Sukla Yajurveda
2. Amritabindu Upanishad Atharvaveda
3. Nadabindu Upanishad or Amrita Nada Bindu Upanishad Rigveda or Atharvaveda
4. Kshurika Upanishad Atharvaveda Krishna Yajurveda
5. Tejobindu Upanishad Atharvaveda
6. Nadabindu Upanishad. Atharvaveda and Rig Veda.
7. Dhyanabindu Upanishad. Atharvaveda and Samaveda
8. Brahmavidya Upanishad. Atharvaveda and Krishna YajurVeda.
9. Yogatattva Upanishad Atharvaveda.
10. Trishikhibrahmana Upanishad. Shukla YajurVeda.
11. Yogachudamani Upanishad. Samaveda.
12. Mandala-brahmana Upanishad Shukla Yajurveda.
13. Advayataraka Upanishad  Shukla Yajurveda.
14. Shandilya Upanisishad Atharva Veda.
15. Yogashikha Upanishad Krishna Yajur Veda.
16. EPashupatabrahma Upanishad77Atharvaveda
17. Yoga-kundalini Upanishad. Krishna Yajur, Veda.
18. Yogasutras Darshana Upanishad Samaveda
19. Mahavakya Upanishad Atharvda
20. Varaha Upanishad. Krishna Yajurveda.

Reference.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yoga_Upanishads

https://ramanan50.wordpress.com/2014/04/22/108-upanishads-complete-list/

•  I am reproducing some quotes by some of the most brilliant Scientists,Philosophers,Writers,Naturalists,Physicists,Astrnomers and Historians.

This list is not exhaustive,a sample.

‘In India I found a race of mortals living upon the Earth, but not adhering to it. Inhabiting cities, but not being fixed to them, possessing everything but possessed by nothing.’

– Philostratus, in his book Life of Apollonius of Tyana, recognized the experience of Apollonius in India, he writes that Apollonius described as above . (174 AD.)

No Indian ever went outside his own country on a warlike expedition, so righteous were they..

-Arrian,Roman Philosopher,Second Century AD.

‘I am convinced that everything has come down to us from the banks of the Ganges, – astronomy, astrology, metempsychosis, etc… It is very important to note that some 2,500 years ago at the least Pythagoras went from Samos to the Ganges to learn geometry…But he would certainly not have undertaken such a strange journey had the reputation of the Brahmins’ science not been long established in Europe.’

-Voltaire,French Writer,Philosopher,Revolutionary Thinker (18th Century)

‘If I were asked under what sky the human mind has most fully developed some of its choicest gifts, has most deeply pondered over the greatest problems of life, and has found solutions of some of them which well deserve the attention even of those who have studied Plato and Kant, I should point to India. And if I were to ask myself from what literature we who have been nurtured almost exclusively on the thoughts of Greeks and Romans, and of the Semitic race, the Jewish, may draw the corrective which is most wanted in order to make our inner life more perfect, more comprehensive, more universal, in fact more truly human a life… again I should point to India.

-Maxmueller, ( 19th Century)

‘

The Hindu religion is the only one of the world’s great faiths dedicated to the idea that the Cosmos itself undergoes an immense, indeed an infinite, number of deaths and rebirths.
It is the only religion in which the time scales correspond to those of modern scientific cosmology. Its cycles run from our ordinary day and night to a day and night of Brahma, 8.64 billion years long. Longer than the age of the Earth or the Sun and about half the time since the Big Bang.”

-Carl Sagan,American Astronomer,Thinker,Science Fiction Writer,20th Century.

‘*  In the morning I bathe my intellect in the stupendous and cosmogonal philosophy of the Bhagavat Geeta, since whose composition years of the gods have elapsed, and in comparison with which our modern world and its literature seem puny and trivial; and I doubt if that philosophy is not to be referred to a previous state of existence, so remote is its sublimity from our conceptions. I lay down the book and go to my well for water, and lo! there I meet the servant of the Brahmin, priest of Brahma, and Vishnu and Indra, who still sits in his temple on the River Ganga reading the Vedas, or dwells at the root of a tree with his crust and water—jug. I meet his servant come to draw water for his master, and our buckets as it were grate together in the same well. The pure Walden water is mingled with the sacred water of the Ganga (Ganges).” 

-Henry David Thoreau, 1817-1862)  American Philosopher, Unitarian, social critic, transcendentalist and writer. .

‘*There is no religion or philosophy so sublime and elevating as Vedanta.”

(source: Kumbha Mela – By Jack Hebner and David Osborn  p. preface – By Thomas Beaudry).

Schopenhauer became acquainted with the thought of the Upanishads through a Latin translation from Persian by a Frenchman, Anquetil Duperron.  His eulogy is well known.

*The Indian air surrounds us, the original thoughts of kindred spirits…..And O! how the mind is here washed clean of all its early ingrafted Jewish superstition! It is the most profitable and most elevating reading which is possible in the world.” 

-Schopenhauer, 

*’The writers of the Indian philosophies will survive, when the British dominion in India shall long have ceased to exist, and when the sources which it yielded of wealth and power are lost to remembrances.” 

Warren Hastings,Governor General of India, (1754-1826))

‘*All science is transcendental or else passes away. Botany is now acquiring the right theory – the avatars of Brahman will presently be the text-books of natural history.”

Ralph Waldo Emerson.

(source: India’s Priceless Heritage – By Nani A. Palkhivala 1980 p.9).

*’“It is already becoming clear that a chapter which had a Western beginning will have to have an Indian ending if it is not to end in self-destruction of the human race. At this supremely dangerous moment in human history , the only way of salvation is the ancient Hindu way.Here we have the attitude and spirit that can make it possible for the  human race to grow together in to a single family.” 

-Sir Arnold Toynbe,British Historian,20th Century.

Reference and citation for quotes marked *

http://www.hinduwisdom.info/quotes1_20.htm

I received the the following query from a reader on Pitru Tharpana.

I have replied them in the chart below.

My information is based on Late. Sri.Anna Subrahmanya Iyer book Yajur Veda Sandhya Vandanam,available at RK Mutt book stores and at Railway stations.

One important query .

‘perform tharpanam facing eastward. But some say that we must face southward. Which is correct.?

Reply.

The procedure is to perform Madhyannika,Brahma Yagnya and then Tharpana.

Procedure for Sandhya Vandhana as per Sandhyavandana Procedure,so is for Brahma yagnya.

As to Tharpana,it is to be perfomed facing South.

Corrections/Suggestions welcome( with source)
‘

Vedas,the sacred texts of Hindus,were not written down ,nor are they attributed to any single author.

Veda means ‘ to know’

These were grasped from Ether by the Realized Souls,Rishis.

So the Vedas were not composed, but compiled by different Rishis.

Of the four Vedas,Rig,Yajur,Sama and Atharva,the Rig Veda was compiled by Ten Families.

They compiled the Apri Sukthas,the Hymns used in propitiating Deities before a Yagnya.

Details.

‘Of the ten Aprisuktas mentioned in Gargya Narayana’s commentary, I.13 and I.142 both invoke the Narāśaṁsa and Tanūnapāt manifestations of Agni, I.188, III.4, IX.5 and X.110 invoke only the Tanūnapāt manifestation and II.3, V.5, VII.2 and X.70 invoke only the Narāśaṁsa manifestation.

Reference and citation.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apris

I have been researching India,its History,Sanatana Dharma,Hinduism for the past eight years.

I have been referring Indian texts in Sanskrit,Tamil and English (these languages I know a bit).

My search was triggerred by anamolies in Indian History and culture in the prescribed text books.

‘Considering these facts,( I have written detailed articles on each point mentioned here),I have been pursuing my studies and I am stuck with some startling, seemingly improbable facts.

Nothing is Improbable because I do not understand it,

This might shock some.

I shall be writing a series with evidence on some of my conclusions, which might border on Wild imagination to plain Crazy!

So the idea that One could see the world with a small device in one’s palm and communicate.!’

When checked with resources from ancient Indian texts,foreign literarure not being referred to in our curricula,archaeology,Astronomy,Astro-archeaology,Philology,Linguistics,Racial theories,Geology, and the past cultures of the world and their religion and legends,I found,

1. Bharatvarsha existed as explained in Indian Texts,
2. The events, characters are real,
3. Bharatvarsha extended throughout the world,
4. Rama and Krishna were real.
5. Rama’s name is found  in Kings List of Sumeria, along with Dasaratha and Bharatha.
6. Rama is referred to in Atlantis Legends.
7. Rama Tribe is found in Africa.
8. Ramas Chapel in Iraq.
9. Egyptian Pharoahs wore Vaishnav marks on thier body.
10. Australian Aborigines perform Shiva Trinetra Dance even today.
11. Ancient Tamil is spoken ,even now in Cameroon.
12. Hindu thoughts were prevalent in Greece much before the arrival of Alexander to India.
13. Pillars of Herules was dedicated to Krishna.
14. Krishna Balarama and Shiva were worshipped in ancient Greece.
15. Tamil Siddha Bhogar is found in Sooth America.
16. Agastya is found New Zealand.
17. Rig Veda was compiled in the Arctic.
18. Pradhyumna, son of Lord Krishna founded the Port city Port Barzhyn in Russia.
19. Russia has Vedas called Perun,Perun Santis and they were nine in number.
20. Siberians worship Ayur Devathas of Hinduism even today.
21. Lake Baikal was Indra’s Amravathi.
22. Kaikeyi was born in Russia.
23. Russian language is very close to Sanskrit.
24. Saptha Rivers, that is seven rivers as explained in Indian Texts are found in Russia.
25. Yagnyavalka, the Sage who gave Shukla Yajur Veda lived in Russia.
26. Caspian Sea was Kashyap Sagar.
27. River Danube was name after Dhan, mother of Dhanavas.
28. Rig Vedic Mandala city is found in Arkaim, Russia.
29. Russia was calle Sthree( Women) Varsha and was a Republic.
30. Petra Jordan Has a Shiva Temple.
31. Arabia was Aravasthan.
32. King Vikramaditya ruled the region.
33. His edict is found in Kaaba.
34. Muhammad’s Uncle wrote Siva Stuthi.
35. Shiva Linga is in Meccan and Islam follows Vedic rituals at Kaaba.
36. Ancient Arabians followed Tamil customs.
37. Tamil kings extended their kingdoms to middle and far east.
38. Cilappadikaram Nedunchezhiyan ,Pandya King was called Nebuchadnezzar I.
39. Yadavs migrated to Israel and are the ancestors of Jews.
40. Hittie,Elamite,Hurian,Sumerian,Minoan civilizations trace their roots to Tamils.

Articles to follow.

Please note that this Blog exploratory and research oriented in Nature.

Alternative views with evidence welcome.

In a highly personalised Religion, sometimes misconceptions creep in.

Though Hinduism insists that one has to study the Vedas, the Scripture of Hindus, people often do not do so, confused as they are with the dictum that Guru should be obeyed.

The problem is that Guru is different from Acharya, Upadhyaya.

For Details read my article Guru Acharya Upadhyaya.

Guru is one who instinctively understands your spiritual needs and guides and their instructions will never run contrary to Vedas, Sruthi.

In such cases where Gurus instructions are at variance with Vedas, Veda should be followed.

On the other hand, Upadhyayas and Acharyas do not have as nuch the authority as the Guru.

As such their instructions, if they run counter to Vedas are to be ignored.

Over a period of years people have not studied Vedas nor many know about the Smritis.

Smriti is a code of conduct which is followed over a period of Time.

Even Smritis if they run contrary to Vedas, are to ignored.

For Vaidikas, Vedas are the Sole Authority.

Many of us follow what purohit says without bothering to check either Sruthi or Smriti.

Result is that many irrelevant practices not found in Vedas , Smritis are followed.

I have been writing on some of these practices which do more harm to Hinduism than Atheists.

I have received the following query on Ashada Maasa, Adi in Tamil.

‘Dear Sir Good Morning. I have been reading your Blog since long time and the information u have been sharing is really incredible. Today, I have a question where I am not getting any exact answers ..hope u can clarify it for me.
This is Regarding the AAshada Masam as I got newly married, the customs followed during this month was implied on me as well but the questions unanswered or partially answered.

1. Why do Mother-In Law and Daughter inlaw should not walk in the same main door or stay together.
2. Why Husband and wife should not stay together.
3. Incase if the girl gets conceived during the aashada maasam will there be a negative effect on the child or is there any negetive effect on the mother during delivery time or so.’

My answer.

All these points have no sanctions by Sruthi or Smriti and hence may be ignored.

These seem to have crept in as Mores/ practices in Communities.

There is also an effort to justify the separation of couples in Aashada, arguing that if the couple were to be together and if the woman conceives in Aashada, she would deliver in Summer .

This is effort to justify something which is not needed.

The premises for the practice is hypothetical.

And Hinduism does not intrude in to private affairs unnecessarily.

And wherever it needs to intervene in personal Life it comes out clearly with no ambiguities.

So one need not try to promote Hinduism by saying things which Hinduism does not.